Irreverent Impiety

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Benedict XVI said that in the modern world many people, including some believers, had forgotten that if they failed to “admit blame and promise to sin no more”, they risked “eternal damnation – the inferno”.
Hell “really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much any more”.

Vatican officials said the Pope had wanted to reinforce the new Catholic catechism, which holds that hell is a “state of eternal separation from God“, to be understood “symbolically rather than physically“.

Dobro, ako je Pakao vječna udaljenost od Boga, u čemu je problem? Zar nisu nevjernici i krivovjernici i sada udaljeni od Boga? Ili je Bog i uz onu dječicu koja umiru od gladi dok im tijela konzumiraju vlastite mišiće? Jeli ta udaljenost zaista tako puno gora?

Druga stvar, Pakao je odjednom realan i simboličan u isto vrijeme? Jeli to simbolično realan ili realno simboličan?


Written by Lucifer

28. 3. 2007. u 19:01

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  1. Sorry cant read that language but the reports are wrong and should be taken with a grain of salt. The Catechism teaches no such thing

    Jesus often speaks of “Gehenna” of “the unquenchable fire” reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost. Jesus solemnly proclaims that he “will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,” and that he will pronounce the condemnation: “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!”

    The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

    The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. (CCC 1034-36)


    29. 3. 2007. at 19:36

  2. Hey, sorry for the late reply.
    About the language, it’s ok. Short translation, first paragraph asks how bad is “separation from God”, if people are suffering horribly now, when they, supposedly, have all the mercy of God. Second one asks wether Hell’s “symbollicaly real” or “really symbolic”. Those are not homonyms, those are near antonyms. And both are claimed in the description of Hell.

    Yes, I am aware that both Jesus and the gospel writers, as well as the OT writers have mentioned Hell, in one shape or the other, but a big problem in talking about Hell is the intrinsic obfuscation acompanying it. As per the “‘symbollicaly real’ or ‘really symbolic'” example. Take, for instance, location of Hell. Where is it? Somewhere? Nowhere? Everywhere? Wasn’t it thought, in the primitive flatearth cosmology, that the Hell is below the ground, because Haven is above it, and isn’t that the source of all “descend into hell” expressions ever since the Greeks (at least)? Right now it’s considered, by some, to be in the Earth’s core, deep under ground. But what if dig deep enough, and find nothing?

    And, what about the claim, as presented on the NewAdvent site, that it is considered that Hell is as far from Haven as possible? In the current cosmology, that wouldn’t be the Earth’s core, but rather those distand quasars, if Haven is “up in the sky”.

    And that’s without even referring to the problems of separation. If it is claimed that a person in Haven experiences nothing but total bliss, what happens to a mother who is in Haven, but her (beloved) child is in Hell? The knowledge of it would definitely be any kind of “bliss”. She should either forget about the child, or be told (shown) it is in Haven also. But wouldn’t that be lying, on part of God? And vice versa, what about the mother killing her children so they’d be in Haven? Wouldn’t she feel relief in her tortures?

    And then there’s the question of what exactly is meant by torture…

    Like I said, wether Jesus and the Bible talks about Hell is beyond doubt. Also, wether the faithfull should believe in the existence of Hell is also beyond doubt. But what is fully within doubt is any and all claims made about Hell by the (living) humans, as well as it’s very existence (at least for some of us).


    31. 3. 2007. at 13:39


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